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horsecrazy1982
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Posted: Tue Jul 17th, 2007 01:56 am |
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i have a 4 year old spotted saddle horse that paced win i got her i worked with her and she racked now i changed to bit and she is nodding her head and doing a smooth running walk is this normag to change like that
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Posted: Tue Jul 17th, 2007 02:57 am |
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A Rack is basically a walk done at speed, Your horse will generally if it has the ability to do each gait eill go from a walk to a little faster runwalk, as the speed increase the horse cannot keep up the runwalk so it can go into a Rack or a Foxtrot. The gait your horse does the best is the one that its body conformation allows it to do.
so if your horse is doing a runwalk and you ask for more speed it could go into a Rack provided you keep the gait a square 4 beat gait and don't let him/her break into a pace or trot
Rick
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horsecrazy1982
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Posted: Tue Jul 17th, 2007 03:59 am |
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i did ask for more speed at the run walk and she canterd
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theoldbear
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Posted: Tue Jul 17th, 2007 10:18 am |
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It is amazing how a little change in bits can change a horse's gait.
I had an old mare that was "seven gaited". But she was like a car with a loose shift lever: you never knew which gear she was going to be in. I discovered that if she was in a "grazing bit" she racked. In a mullen mouth walking horse bit, with a tighter curb chain, she did a running walk and cantered. I could literaly change bridles in between classes, and show her Walking and Racking.
The Word Champion Racking Horse Oil Stock (double registered as TWH of course) was the two-year old World Grand Champion at the Tennessee Walking Horse Celebration.
I heard an old trainer say once that any good Walking horse could rack, but that not every racking horse could do the walk. His specialty, by the way, was developing racking horses, and he had a "neck brace" that he used to keep the horses from nodding their heads.
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winddanceragain
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Posted: Sat Jul 21st, 2007 06:41 pm |
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theoldbear, A lot can be learn from old timers, I've been told by some old timers that " they were there in the day, A Racking horse is a TWH that can't walk, so they made a racking horse out of em. "
I would have loved to see your 7 gaited horse move on!! Thanks for info on changing the bits, that is very interesting. I ride QH's, but have to say not a smoother ride then on a gaited horse. My husband (jbear) has a 5gaited mare (she 25 now), I have rode a few times, the first time I rode her or should I say she rode me, I had to try and look down at her hoof to see what she was doing, as she got faster (following jbear on Red) I couldn't believe I wasn't having to post. I made the comment to jbear,"is she on roller skates" man oh man what a ride she is! I have been blessed with horse in my life for 40 years now, guess jbear and I will, as long as we are on this earth if GOD is Willing.
We do show in natural gaited events and without REG. Paper one cannot show. I feel if more natural gaited folks show their beloved horses, then maybe just maybe those that do sore their horse will see that their horse/s are beautiful in their natural gait.
I've been told by old timers "before there ever was a Racking or SSH horse there was the TWH ." After reading below posts from their sites I tend to agree. I thought this was interesting and would post for those interested.
" The RHBAA has also re-opened its books for registration. This means you may have your horse commission registered if he/she is performing a four-beat gait verified by a licensed commissioner. All commission registered horses born in 1994 and after must be blood-typed to be registered. We encourage new registrations into our breed."
Above bold post is a quote from RHBBA's web site, so folks if your horse/s is/are not registered and it/they perform/s a 4-beat gait and following RHBAA guidelines above you can, if so inclined, get your horse reg, with RHBAA.
SSH is the same way, See below post.
“Open Books” for Tobiano HorsesLast edited on Sat Jul 21st, 2007 06:44 pm by winddanceragain
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MVitulli
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 02:36 am |
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I've been told by old timers "before there ever was a Racking or SSH horse there was the TWH ." After reading below posts from their sites I tend to agree. I thought this was interesting and would post for those interested.
" The RHBAA has also re-opened its books for registration. This means you may have your horse commission registered if he/she is performing a four-beat gait verified by a licensed commissioner. All commission registered horses born in 1994 and after must be blood-typed to be registered. We encourage new registrations into our breed."
Above bold post is a quote from RHBBA's web site, so folks if your horse/s is/are not registered and it/they perform/s a 4-beat gait and following RHBAA guidelines above you can, if so inclined, get your horse reg, with RHBAA.
SSH is the same way, See below post.
“Open Books” for Tobiano Horses
Last edited on Sat Jul 21st, 2007 12:44 pm by winddanceragain
For Racking horses, the RHBAA is an association where you can exhibit your horses and there are flat shod classes, however, you must be aware there are padded classes with the same treatment as those of the Tennessee Walking Horses. I do not want to say anything negative about any organization, but NWHA is a wonderful organization with all flat shod horses and plenty of classes available for racking horses. The organization not only states they do not tolerate abuse, they enforce it. I have been showing with them a year and I feel like every show I have been to has been fair and you meet so many WONDERFUL people!! Try it!! They will also register your horses, but you don't have to be registered to show!!
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jn1022
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 03:10 am |
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About 30 yr ago I moved in with my late grandpa and lived with him for about a year or so. I was about 19 or 20 then. I had never been on a horse other than barebacking a pony as a child around his house when we would visit about once a year. He was just an old farm boy who had never been to a day of school in his life. He couldn't read or write. He really lived in a shack with a light bulb in each of the 3 rooms and an old outhouse that was sitting at an angle that you had to chase chickens out of to use. He had an old pitcher pump for his water and absolutely no bathroom or tub or any kind. He literally lived 100 years back in time. There weren't many people that ever had less money than he did, but he always had a horse or 2 where he lived. He never had a lot of tack or riding gear. I remember I used to ask him about horses and he would talk about gaits, etc. and I would ask what he meant by gait. He'd get aggrevated I think because he didn't rightly know how to explain it. He never did offer to get me riding, though. One day he had left the house and I was bored and went down around the old one stall horse barn he had built and decided I was going to ride his walker. I put the saddle on. I had never tacked up a horse before. I tightened the cinches (front and back) just as tight as I could get them. I looked around the small tack room and found a bridle with a bit on it. I remember that bit being a straight bar with either D or O rings. It was not broken, I do remember that. Anyway when I walked him out into the 30 acre soybean field and got on him, he took off on a gallop and I was yelling whoa and hanging on for dear life to the saddle horn. I don't remember bouncing the way I did when I started a few years ago with horses myself. He galloped across the 30 acres to the front gait of the property and threw on the breaks. My butt must have come up off the saddle about 2 foot, but I was braced against the horn and did not get thrown. I got off and walked him back to the barn and put him away. I never did tell Grandpa I rode or tried to ride him. Now i think back and think how lucky I was he didn't hurt me with the back cinch as tight as it was. Point is the poor old man didn't have but the one bit. He never ever changed equipment to get different gaits from his horses. Now that I'm into horses the last 5 yr and strictly gaited horses (because that's all Grandpa ever had and wanted) I've found that very subtle changes in how you sit, hold the reins to position the head, and terrain makes a huge difference in their gaits. I live in Florida where the ground is fairly sandy and soft. Terribly soft in a lot of areas. Like the beach. I had a racking mare I could ride down the shoulder of the road and when I would get her gaiting and edge her over onto the pavement to hear her footfall and the 4 beat gait for the first few steps I could hear would be broken, 1,2 - 3,4 1,2-3,4 and after a couple of series she would change to an even 4 beat gait 1,2,3,4. I think while on the ground she would amble and when she hit the firm pavement the gait would change ever so slightly to the rack. The movement was a very very slight side to side tick. Compared to my walker who would get her head up like my racking mare, but the twh would be choppy. The twh could come down out of a gallop into a gait at a very high rate of speed. I'm talking about 25 mph or so. Very fast when she would slip out of the gallop. Felt like I was sliding down an old wash board. Bump, bump, bump, bump. The walker was 15 and never was near as smooth as the racking mare. Point is, I think there are a lot of subtle reasons for gait changes. Changing bits is changing the carriage of the head and therefore changes your gait. I never did know Grandpa to have a vet at the house or have vaccinations or anything like that. I remember him pulling the shoes off himself and trimming the feet. Probably floated the teeth himself also. He'd also beat the hair off a horse if it needed it. Not my philosophy, but I've seen him take a stud palomino and crack the whip and the horse would stand and walk on his hind legs for quite a distance. Amazing. He made a horse career out of selling and buying back that same stud. No one else could handle him. I've seen Grandpa's overalls come unbuckled from being on that horse bucking. He loved it. He'd always say, "I can tell when I'm saddling him if I'm going to have to ride him or not." It was an opportunity for him. God bless the old timers. Now that I'm grown and have horses and built a nice home, barn, with nice pastures, paddock, roundpen, etc., I would do anything to have him here to share the nice horse life with me. I pray when I die that it will be him to meet me in the next life with a couple of nice gaited horses so I can finally go ride with the man I loved so much. I got to stop. I've got tears running down my face. Sorry to be so long winded.
Enjoy everything you can with those around you while you can.
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Dreamer
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 12:49 pm |
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Karal
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 01:38 pm |
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| jn thanks for sharing a great story.
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SPOTD RIDR
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Posted: Fri Sep 12th, 2008 02:04 pm |
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jn sounds alot like my husbands father. He did not do much riding for pleasure, it was all work with him, but he did it all, breed them, raised them, trained them, shod them.
They said once he had a plow horse that was ALMOST impossable to shoe, but it had to be done, so they said daddy took that horse and stood him up beside a flat bed grain truck bed and strapped him to it then lifted that bed up leve,l with the horse strapped to it, feet sticking out just perfect for shoeing.
Love stories the old timers tell and yours was great, I hear alot from the in-laws because they were a farming faimily so have alot of well I don't know its just the way my father, grandfather and his grandfather did it, they very rarely questioned the method just did it the way that was handed down.
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winddanceragain
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Posted: Sat Sep 13th, 2008 01:59 am |
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| Jn, I pray your prayer will be fullfilled.
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