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longear_lover
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 10:12 pm |
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We used to have a little Morab mare that we went through the same thing with. Even our Vet asked what color she was when he was filling out her coggins papers and he was looking right at her! lol She turned out to be a silver grulla but for a couple years she was just "that" color! heehee
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alforddm
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Posted: Thu Sep 27th, 2007 11:47 pm |
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Well he's defiantly not champagne. Champagnes have amber, green, or blue eyes and pink or mottled skin. In both pictures you can see his dark skin.
Also, I'm almost positive he's not classic roan. He may be sabino roan as I mentioned earlier but in order to be classic roan one of his parents must carry roan. I suppose it would be possible for his sire to be hiding classic roan but that is even less likely then the sire hiding gray as classic roan is not real common in the TWH. Classic roans are also usually very easy to identify and it would have been noticeable when he shed his foal coat not just now appearing.
I would like to see a few more pictures that are current. That show his head around the eyes and also full body shots.
Is his dam pictured on your web site?
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farmerbill1962
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Posted: Fri Sep 28th, 2007 02:44 am |
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His dam is pictured on my website. She is under his picture on the geldings page. It is a small picture though. I will be posting more pictures of the ones I took the other day on the site under gallery when I have time. Probably tomorrow. I had Back to School Night tonight.
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farmerbill1962
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Posted: Fri Sep 28th, 2007 09:09 pm |
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We thought Sabino Roan, because he is more silver on the underside than the back. I downloaded forms from the UKentucky website. The only problem is they have specific color testing and a different price for each one. Does that mean I have to pay $45 for the Cream gene test plus $45 for the Sabino test etc....Why can't they just do it all for one price and be done with it. How Confusing!!
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farmerbill1962
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Posted: Fri Sep 28th, 2007 09:25 pm |
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I went on the UC Davis sight and it was sooooo much better. It was also alot cheaper and user friendly. So, I will have him tested for silver and sabino. We shall see.
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alforddm
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Posted: Fri Sep 28th, 2007 09:27 pm |
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You can test for sabino if you want to but there are many different types of sabino and you can only test for 1 type. Sabino is one of those things we say a horse has when we aren't really sure what it has. I can't remember if TWH is one of the breeds that carries SB1 or not.
I'd test for extension, agouti, creme, and silver.
Extension just to make sure he's not a very dark liver chestnut (it does happen occasionally) agouti, creme, and silver. That should be $40 for for extension and agouti together and $25 each for creme and silver. So a total of $90.
They don't have a test for gray yet but if he tests positive for silver then it is silver that is making the light color in his main and tail. If he tests neg for silver well then its gray or some weird manifestation of sabino.
Can anyone get me the production records for the stallion he is by? I'd really like to see if he sired any gray offspring out of solid mares.
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farmerbill1962
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Posted: Fri Sep 28th, 2007 09:54 pm |
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I bought him from Baby Acres Walkers. The web address is http://www.babys-heavenly-gaits.com Dad is Cloud. Most of his foals have been Cremello, Perlino, and I think there was a gray colt born the same year as Eli, but I think his mother was gray.  I did look and his mother was gray. She originally had him listed as a Buckskin and then changed it to gray. He is listed under "for sale" as sold. His name is Mirage Image.
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Karal
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Posted: Sat Sep 29th, 2007 03:28 am |
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farmer that link didn't work. I googled it and came up with http://babyacreswalkers.com/cloud.html
Sabino does occure in TWH. He could carry a sabino gene. Sabino can cause roaning that is not present at birth. I would test for silver. His sire is a cremello so you already know he carries a cream gene.
We have a MFT mare I am begining to wonder if she carries sabino. She has the trade mark white on the lower lip, and is starting to roan on parts of her body where she didn't have white before. She is 6 yrs old and defiantly is not graying.
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twhstone
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Posted: Sat Sep 29th, 2007 05:27 am |
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Okay I am crazy about color and bloodlines! I looked up the sires foals on twhbea and the color is all over the place. Here is what is listed-
Champagne-2
Cremello- 6
Buckskin- 5
Brown- 3
Palomino- 3
Black- 2 ( one is tobiano)
Grey- 1
Smokey Black- 1
The grey was out of a black mare and I didn't look to see if grey showed up on her side. I will just to see where it showed up. I think your horse has a grey gene somewhere because of his tail. Reminds me of the way a grey's tail looks. By the way, I am looking at a mare that has similar breeding on the dam's side. She is out of Flying Colors also.
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farmerbill1962
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Posted: Sat Sep 29th, 2007 02:25 pm |
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Try the website as http://www.babyacreswalkers.com and see if that works. I think they changed the name, but you can still get on from there. The gray colt she just sold must have been registered as a different color and changed also, because I saw him when I went to look at Eli and he was definitely graying then. He was a yearling. His mom was definitely gray, because he is pictured with her. The Tobiano foal probably came out of one of the Tobiano mares. This breeder raises both cremes and tobianos. She has two stallions. It seems like an awful lot of breeding going on all the time though. Those mares are bred every year on their foal heat. It kind of reminds me of a puppy mill
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farmerbill1962
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Posted: Sat Oct 6th, 2007 12:40 am |
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Well I just thought I would update you all on the test results. Eli is N/N for silver dilution and N/N for Sabino 1. So, the quest continues.......
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alforddm
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Posted: Sat Oct 6th, 2007 01:20 am |
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Wow those came back fast. Remember just because he tested negative for s does not be he's not sabino. SB1 is just one form of sabino. In fact the only form for which we can test.
What did the results say about extension and agouti?
I'm afraid I really think he is graying also but I really do hope it turns out to be sabino. I guess we won't know for sure for a while yet unless they make the test for gray available real soon.
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farmerbill1962
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Posted: Sat Oct 6th, 2007 01:35 am |
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Hey Daylene,
I only had him tested for those two since he should already have agouti since he is buckskin and he already has cream since his dad is cremello. I did send them an email and asked them if they could let me know if I should test for anything else. I told them the situation. Still waiting for a reply. They received the sample on the second and reported via email today. I would say that is really fast.I think there is a lab, someone mentioned, that test for gray, in Englsnd. I think I would rather just wait and see then. If he is going to turn gray, then so be it. He will still be beautiful. It just means someone somewhere didn't change their horses color on the papers when it "grayed out". UC Davis did mention about the Sabino, that it could be a different gene.
Thanks for sticking with us, Kim
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farmerbill1962
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Posted: Mon Oct 8th, 2007 11:28 pm |
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Daylene, I love the new banner. So, UC Davis sent a reply to my email saying that sometimes they see silver in manes and tails that aren't explained by the silver gene. They asked me to email a picture and I did. She came back saying he looked like he could be a dark Palomino. Oh, well. That doesn't really explain the black in the mane, tail and legs. Kim
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farmerbill1962
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Posted: Tue Oct 9th, 2007 12:39 am |
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Well, I give up. The response from UC Davis is, she has seen black in the mane and tail of Palomino horses. I guess I will just have to keep him and see what he turns out to be...haha
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alforddm
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Posted: Wed Oct 10th, 2007 02:55 am |
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I took a look at the pictures again and in the older one I could believe that he is a very sooty palomino but in the newer one you posted it doesn't seem to fit. Please keep us updated if his color changes anymore. I realy want to know how he turns out.
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Trailtrekker
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Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 12:58 am |
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| He's a pretty boy! I was going to say sooty palomino too....or a pale sooty buckskin maybe. But, if his dam was a grey, he could be going grey.....check his face, around his eyes, for grey/white hairs.... Whatever the color, it sure is pretty, and he's beautiful!
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farmerbill1962
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Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 01:10 am |
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Thank you Trailtrekker and welcome to the MB. Eli's mom was a Buckskin, but we all know that horses are registered young and someone may not have changed their horses color on the pedigree. There aren't any grays in his background. We think he is way cool and may have to hold on to him just to see what color he turns out to be.. That leads back to the whole horse collector thread..... .
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alforddm
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Posted: Thu Oct 18th, 2007 01:13 am |
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Wow in the one of him sunning he does look very palomino!
Something else to consider. If he is genetically a palomino, gray often causes the main, tail, and body of a palomino to darken. Which could explain all the "weird" things we are seeing.
*cries about there not being a test for gray*
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Eli after he reads this thread!
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